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Rights and Liberties

Are You on the Government's 'No Fly' List?

By Naomi Wolf, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted September 13, 2007.


A new book reveals how thousands of Americans who do not fit a terrorist profile are routinely harassed and detained at the airport.
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The following excerpt is from Naomi Wolf's latest book, End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007) and is used by permission of the publisher. In this timely call to arms, Wolf compels us to face the way our freedoms are under assault, and that each of the ten classic steps used by dictators to close down open societies are underway in the United States today.

ARBITRARILY DETAIN and RELEASE CITIZENS

The Press Department of the Foreign Ministry judged that ... I was urging the "spread of counterrevolutionary developments in the GDR." Because of the role I was clearly playing "in the ideological war of imperialist media against the GDR" I should be placed on the list ... -- Timothy Garton Ash

Protest has been lively in our nation throughout most of our history because being free means that you can't be detained arbitrarily. We have also felt free in the security of our homes, believing that the state can't break in and go through our possessions. All that is changing.

The List

In 2002, I began to notice that almost every time I sought to board a domestic airline flight, I was called aside by the Transportation Security Administration and given a more thorough search. When this was happening on nine flights out of ten, I asked the officials about the special search. They told me that the search was due to the quadruple "S" that routinely came up on my boarding pass. There are several reasons why one might receive a quadruple "S" on one's boarding pass if one doesn't fit a terrorist profile: buying a ticket at the last minute, for instance, or paying in cash. But those circumstances didn't apply to me. I kept asking, but not getting real answers.

This stepped-up search became so routine as I traveled that companions who were flying with me began to simply say, "I'll meet you at the gate," even before we got through the security line.

On yet another preboarding search, I asked yet again. The TSA agent searching me, a young woman, said pleasantly, "You're on the list."

"The list?" I asked. "What list?" Her supervisor abruptly ended our exchange, took over from her, and then moved me on.

Indeed, the TSA Administration does keep a "list." The American citizens on the list who do not fit a terrorist profile range from journalists and academics who have criticized the White House to activists and even political leaders who have also spoken out.

These TSA searches and releases would be trivial in a working democracy. In the 1960s, peace activists found it merely irksome to be trailed by FBI agents, and in the 1980s those who organized The Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES) on college campuses were even amused sometimes to find, on submitting a Freedom of Information Act request, that there was a file open on them. But once the first steps in a fascist shift are in place, being on "the list" is not really funny any more.

When you are physically detained by armed agents because of something that you said or wrote, it has an impact. On the one hand, during these heightened searches of my luggage, I knew I was a very small fish in a very big pond. On the other hand, you get it right away that the state is tracking your journeys, can redirect you physically, and can have armed men and women, who may or may not answer your questions, search and release you.

Our faith in nonarbitrary "safe" detention helps to make us Americans. When I was twenty, I joined a group of graduate students who traveled from Oxford to London to get arrested. We all went over to the American embassy: There we sat, self-consciously, on the chilly concrete steps, with our "U.S. OUT OF EL SALVADOR" banner unfurled on our knees. A police van arrived. Bored British police officers took us away. We were locked up for a few hours and then, of course, released.

"Silly season," one of the bobbies commented civilly as he signed the paperwork that let us go. I wasn't scared to speak out because I was in a democracy and the rule of law protected me.

That kind of experience of accountable detention and release is eroding in America. Activists are not being beaten. But they are being watched, and sometimes intimidatingly detained and released.

In America, people are not supposed to be detained because of their political beliefs. But Senator Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy, the liberal senator from Massachusetts who is a thorn in the side of the Bush administration, was detained five times in East Coast airports in March, 2004. Democratic Congressman John Lewis of Georgia has also been subjected to extra security measures.


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Welcome, to the NEW WORLD ORDER
Posted by: mizipi on Sep 13, 2007 1:27 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Pres. Bush #1 spoke of this and his son is implementing the "new" freedom and democracy that our soldiers die for.

Didn't Hitler claim to be a Christian?

Don't declare your independence. Don't think that the constitution is anything more than a piece of fiction. In today's America, kissing the asses of the aristocrats and their political minions is the 'only way to fly.'

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» RE: Hitler WAS a Catholic... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» RE: Hitler WAS a Catholic... Posted by: Schroeder
Why a 'No Fly' list?
Posted by: borat99 on Sep 13, 2007 3:16 AM   
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Hey, what's the government's problem with flies? Yeah, they're a nuisance, but hey, it's not like they're mosquitoes. Man, governments, can't live with them, can live without them ;-)

"The cause of liberty becomes a mockery if the price to be paid is the wholesale destruction of those who are to enjoy liberty."
-- Gandhi

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» EMILY LITELLA LIVES!! Posted by: smendler
USAF on no fly this Friday and where is Missing Nuke #6?
Posted by: Setnakt on Sep 13, 2007 3:57 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I know this is unrealted but why the hell is no on talking about this? The biggest story of the year, perhapes ever!

9-11-2007- WHAT'S GOING ON?

By Carol Wolman

Going into Labor Day weekend, there were lots of rumors anticipating a
false flag operation, another 9-11. Trainloads of armored vehicles
rolled into Houston. The San Francisco Bay bridge closed for three days.
Suspicious activity was reported on ferries in Puget Sound. Ominous
civil defense exercises are being held in Oregon, as part of Operation
Noble Resolve, which also involves military jets flying over New York.
An antiaircraft division is ordered to Washington DC.

We made it through the holiday safely.

Then last Wednesday, Congressman Paul Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in
his home. This was reported as a heart attack, until word leaked out
that he had blunt trauma to the head and neck.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649320/ Now we're being told he fell down
the stairs. Gillmor was investigating a series of option trades that are
suspicious- someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will
fall 50% by September 21st. Even with the housing crisis, it would take
a major catastrophe, like a "terrorist" attack, to precipitate such a
plunge. As part of his job on the House Finance Committee, Gillmor was
investigating this deal. Was he murdered because he was about to reveal
something?

Would this death, on top of the deaths of Senators Wellstone and
Carnahan, and the anthraxing of Senators Daschle and Leahy, have a
chilling effect on people in Congress? Maybe that's why they're
"spineless".

Now we learn that on August 30th, six nuclear warheads were
"accidentally" shipped by B-52 from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota
to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. (Five arrived, did one get
"lost"? Or is someone unable to count?) This violates all military
procedure, which requires that nuclear weapons always be shipped on the
ground in the continental US, so that if there's an accident, a bomb
detonation won't occur. It would take an order from the
Commander-in-Chief to put nukes on a plane.

The warheads were reportedly fastened to cruise missiles, which have a
range of 1500-2000 miles. Not enough to cross the Atlantic, but enough
to hit cities in the US as part of a false flag operation. This scenario
is being claimed by "military investigators" on the Hal Turner show, and
is making its way around the internet. It's being said the plan was to
hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in
order to install martial law. If so, we have been saved by the grace of
God, operating through loyal American whistleblowers, who made the
"accidental shipment" of nuclear warheads public.

Now we are told that the entire Air Force will stand down on September
14th, for overhaul and review of procedures.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/
(Broken by Alternet)
airforce_aircombatcommand_standdown_070807/
Our skies will be unguarded for a day, and our vulnerability has been
announced to the whole world. It's an open invitation to America's
enemies to attack us. The last stand-down, unannounced ahead of time,
took place on Sept 11, 2001. What's planned for Sept. 14th, 2007? Oddly
enough, El Al, the Israeli airline, will not be flying planes that day
either.

What is going on? One of my most anti-conspiracy friends says he
believes it's a giant conspiracy. What do you think? and how can we nip
it in the bud?
(Continued..)

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happy to know I'm on the list...
Posted by: ellie on Sep 13, 2007 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
every time I fly, I go through the same thing, but do have a copy of my official 'political agitator' file from years ago... funny thing is that every time I request a copy of the file, more and more of the old stuff is blacked out, but there are few if any entries in 30 years... hey, I use a copy of the original face page and the latest face page for comparison when I teach a 101 class as a powerpoint slide no less... last time I requested a copy I was told no more copies because of 'national security' in a nice way...

last time I flew, they even went after my medical assistance dog, squeezed and patted him down, all 100 lbs of indignant elderly fur, and he left a 'deposit' on the floor for them as a political statement, no I walked away and didn't clean it up...

been doing mail ping pong with the state department for almost a year over my passport renewal...

nice to know TSA is on their toes after an older lady who is an academic with her elderly medical assistance dog... gee, I'm still a thorn in the governmental side after all these years, I do feel so loved...

the thing that makes them nuts at the airport is that I've flipped the situation on them so many times, that I act like I'm a celebrity and don't react with indignation or anger and that drives them crazy!!!

yes, I do leave a network of info and assorted people knowing my whereabouts every time I go somewhere as a safety measure...

now, where's my renewed passport?????

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» You go, girl. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
I'm not on the list yet - I have to work harder, I guess
Posted by: smendler on Sep 13, 2007 6:04 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A recent trip to the UK and back passed by without incident -- I guess I have to work harder to get the notice of the Powers That Be... and I have to admit I wimped out, I considered wearing my "IMPEACH HIM!" button when coming back thru US Customs but thought better of it, so I guess it's my own damn fault...

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Adolph
Posted by: paschn on Sep 13, 2007 6:50 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bush et al are goose-stepping this "fine" country into a spot that will eventually take it down. Of course, the elite don't give a damn,...they'll simply jump flights provided by Adolph Bush to spirit them away to their own private resort country complete with AIPAC offices....Dubai. Now, I'm not saying you drones DESERVE it,.....but you are with out a doubt ASKING for it.

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ALL Roads Lead to Tel Aviv
Posted by: wawa on Sep 13, 2007 7:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have no problem traveling in USA, but I have been stripped searched twice at Ben Gurion Airport.

When I flew home this last July, I told 'security' everywhere I have been; Jenin, Ramllah, Bil'in, Bethlehem; Occupied Territory!

I handed out my WAWA cards and encouraged them to read my reports [July 13th through the August 5th WAWA Blog]

Before my trip Israel had been in 12th place out of 70+ countries who visit WAWA daily.

They have been in 3rd-4th place ever since!

Big Brother in USA: Military and Government are also considered countries and they have been in top 20 ever since i gave 'birth' to WAWA in July 2005 after my first of five trips to occupied territory.


"You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free."
John 8:32

Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu."

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Aldous Huxley was on the money
Posted by: ld7440 on Sep 13, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Welcome to "Brave New World". I've known for a long time that we are not living in a democracy. The "suicides" of prominent politicians, Presidential assassinations, watch lists - these are common fascist tools. This is the power that the wealthy autocrats feel they have, to dictate our actions. But they can't control our thoughts. We have many avenues of expression, this site being one of them. We must to continue to educate people about governmental atrocities. Knowledge is power.

I don't really fly - I hate planes and airports - even more so now. My hope is to move towards self-sufficiency - working from home, growing my own food, eliminating debt - because at some point, the U.S.'s fascist system - like all empires before it - will come crashing down. Actions always have consequences.

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All Heil The Security Of The Homeland!
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Sep 13, 2007 7:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The only difference between Hitler and George W Bush is that Hitler was actually elected.

Vonnegut

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» Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: BenCaxton12
» RE: Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: InsertNameHere
» 'So-called Liberals' ... hmmm Posted by: BenCaxton12
» RE: 'So-called Liberals' ... hmmm Posted by: InsertNameHere
» RE: Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Bush family clear and present danger, in the air or on the ground..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Sep 13, 2007 8:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With all their contacts with the bin-Laden family and the Saudi's who slaughtered us on 9/11 including Bush 41 meeting with a bin-Laden the day before at the Ritz hotel...

Then Prescott Bush helping the Nazi's even into 1941 and 1942 while America was fighting for it's very existence against Germany and His attempting to overthrow FDR, and establish a fascist state here in America, and then Neil Bush meeting with the shooter of President Reagan the day before Reagan was shot, and George H.W. Bush being in Dallas when JFK was shot ...

If anyone in America should be on the no fly list it's the entire Bush family..

Am I wrong..?

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Beth
Posted by: BK on Sep 13, 2007 8:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think we are on the same list! I did nothing so bold as you did to get there. I simply married an Iranian and made a few visits to my in-laws. The airport in Iran is a dream compared to the U.S., no problems whatsoever, very kind. A recent trip to the U.S. I had a TSA look at me snarkily and say "You've certainly been around, haven't you?!" I said, I've traveled a little, is that a crime? She snorted at me and gave me and my bags a thorough, and messy search. Am living in Iran now (temporarily, leaving in a few weeks)and dread the trip home...today I am nervous...but I feel it turning to fear. Isn't it something for an American to feel safe in Iran and to fear going to he U.S?

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It's easy to get on the "4S" list
Posted by: sarahk on Sep 13, 2007 9:05 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My husband and I have ended up on the "4S" list because I have a habit of writing to elected officials and government departments when I disagree with a policy. I have always made a point to be very polite and keep to a specific point without diverging into insults, but I think that we have ended up on the list because my views are obviously progressive with a focus on human rights. Some past letters were about releasing the teenage boys held for a few years at Guantanemo, and stopping the CIA "black" prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq. I only use information from the mainstream press articles (New Yorker, NYTimes, Vanity Fair, ect) when making my points in the letters, and I cite those articles when making my points.
Thinking about it, I realize that I have not written any letters in a while because I am afraid of being moved from the "4S" list to the DoNotFly list. That would be a huge problem for us, but I hate feeling muzzled.
For now, I will continue to enjoy chatting with my fellow "4S" travelers as we wait in line. Usually, it is just my husband and me with lots of people who are FWM (flying while muslim).

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TSA Nonsense
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 13, 2007 12:15 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't forget to take your shoes off! Are we all Richard Reid's now? It's absurd!

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And now, a Number Six bedtime story!
Posted by: NumberSix on Sep 13, 2007 2:34 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Once upon a time, there was Tom. Tom was a defiant liberal type, who sent a load of emails bitching about how his nation had turned into a load of poo. Bitch, Tom, bitch.

Well, this bitching caught up to Tom, you see. Tom was going to fly to Florida to visit some friends. He parked his car, pocketed his ticket, drug his bags into the airport, and to the counter he went. He presented his ID, his tickets, and over comes Mister Gestapo.

Mister Gestapo then informs Tom he is on this no-fly list and must now leave the airport. Poor Tom, and he was never told this! Angry, Tom went home. On the way home, Tom stopped for gas and ran into his neighbor, Dave. Dave saw Tom was most ill. Dave then laughed!

"Tom, I've got the Skylane this weekend. You cut in some gas, you can ride with me!"

So, early Saturday morning, Tom parks his car in the grass next to the hangar. Dave fuels, checks the weather, checks his GPS, bags are thrown into the backseat. The Lycoming coughs, the constant-speed prop purrs to life. Up, up and away they go!

This puzzles Tom. He explains his dilemma to Dave. Dave shrugs and lights up a Winston, offering Tom one.

"Yeah, we've noticed it. Weird, y'know? All this talk about airport security. Did you see any Gestapo? Or dogs? And hey, no kid behind you kicking your seat!"

Tom and Dave touch down, taxi and tie down the plane. Tom gets a rental car and they go and do stuff, even some fishing. Sunday, they fly home.....undisturbed.

"I still don't get it. I mean, couldn't those weird creeps attack something in one of these?", Tom asks.

"Yep.", Dave nods. "But, Washington is full of idiots. Most can't find their ass with either hand. They're convinced that pissing off the public is the way to go."

So, Tom learned a neat thing. Dave can take him about anywhere. All he has to do is ask.

See, the moral to this story? Washington is stupid beyond words. They won't touch general aviation, thinking that Al Quacko wouldn't use small planes for terror work. So, banned persons like Tom still get to fly............any damned ways.

And yes, this a true story. I happen to know Tom. He's loving flying small planes. "Okay, it's slower, but, it's nicer, oh, yes!"

Tom is so smart. Washington is so dumb. Dumb, Washington, so dumb.

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» I know that story, Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
I'm on the list
Posted by: eltiki on Sep 13, 2007 2:57 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Like Wolf, I found out I was on the "list" because I noticed that all of a sudden I couldn't print boarding passes online, use the quick check-in kiosks or check-in curbside anymore. I though it was an issue with my preferred airline's security procedures, but when I used a different airline I had the same problem. So I asked the nice lady why I couldn't check in online and she told me I was "one of the these guys." She then handed me a letter from the Dept. of Homeland Security explaining that I was on the watch list and that per a Congressional oversight law, I had a right to appeal.

So appeal I did. I got a letter back from Homeland Security stating that per my request my file had been reviewed and changes had been made, but there was no mention of whether or not I was removed from the list. For all I know the only thing they changed was the updated address I sent them.

Turns out that I continue to be on the list. I live in Europe now and every time I return to the states I get detained. The last time it was with my one month old infant daughter and my wife. I've been reluctant to say anything publicly because I do not want to exacerbate the situation, but the truth is I that I have never broken any laws, I have no connections whatsoever to anything remotely related to terrorism, and I'm a nonviolent Buddhist. I have been an a vocal and active antiwar critic for over 20 years, so I suppose this is what it's all about. My honest feelings about the situation is that I'm heart broken. I grew up believing that I'm entitled to certain rights, and that being able to freely express my opinions was what makes a democracy healthy and strong. If this no-fly and watch list is being used to club critics over the head, then it is pure hypocrisy, it is a sham of a policy, and the government employees in charge of maintaining it should be embarrassed by their actions because they've been had. They have been asked to protect their country, and now they are being used to cover the asses of doomed and failed individuals who gutlessly destroy peoples lives to fight their wars while commanding from behind the wall of a mobile police state. I hope to god this message is getting sucked up by the NSA Internet spy machine and will eventually be read by a human with a real heart who will intuitively understand the tragedy of this situation. I'm sick to death about this, and wonder if I can ever really feel safe in my homeland again, not because of a threat by some foreign enemy, but from a government that lost its conscience and soul.

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» RE: I'm on the list Posted by: mombot
This Law Is Causing More Than Inconvenience To Passengers
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Sep 13, 2007 4:58 PM   
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According to a recent media report I read here in Aussie, flights to and from the US have been seriously reduced since 9/11.
A similar story posted similar results at the BBC concerning Brits and Europeans generally flying to and from the US.
Complaint of people being detained, the case of Cat Stevens being a story that had a very serious effect on British Muslims travelling to, from, or through the US, are reportedly on the increase.
This then means that aircraft, particularly ones owned by American companies, are not bringing in the money necessary for the very thorough checks each aircraft needs before flying. Incidents of faulty aircraft, due to poor maintenance, is on the increase, according to some non American analysts, and here in Australia, a number of Universities and academic centres have recommended Australians only fly with non US companies wherever possible.
The whole idea of terrorism is to bring a country to it's knees. It takes a very special Administration, with a cluey leader, to be able to keep the country going, without its security measures seriously effecting the economy.
Europe, particularly Britain, are successfully doing it.
What George has done has perfectly fitted into the plans of the terrorists.
Lock down the country and fill it's citizens with fear, and just like fire-ants, that country starts attacking its own, while the invader, merrily stirring from the sideline, laugh with glee.

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And you don't even have to be 18
Posted by: jcabraham on Sep 13, 2007 5:05 PM   
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About five years ago my wife and I tried to e-check-in at the airport and were directed to a ticket agent. She took our three tickets (mine, my wife's, and my son's, who was two years old at the time), looked at her computer and asked: "which one's Henry?"

We pointed at the floor, where Henry was toddling around.

"He's on the watch list" she said.

"Um, what?"

It took 30 minutes of telephone calls before the ticket agent convinced the person on the other end that the suspect was a TWO YEAR OLD, a fact easily verifiable by his social security number. In fact, we said:

"Can't you tell he's only two, by his SSN?"

"It doesn't go by SSN, only by name"

For years we were hassled at the airport because of our son. Whenever we asked why he was on the watch list, we were told "Can't tell you." When we asked how we could get him off, we were told (confidentially) that there's no way to get off it, since you're not allowed to know any of the details.

So this went on for years, UNTIL we started booking his tickets using his MIDDLE NAME. This apparently is enough to make him a different person to the geniuses who designed the system. Probably you know who could book a ticket in the name of "Fred bin Laden" and have no trouble.

Eventually my son's youth will be insufficient to protect him from the government, and I will have to hire an immigration lawyer (or whoever might know anything about this), to try to get him removed.

Thuggish, yet incompetent. That's what our government has become. God bless America.

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» RE: And you don't even have to be 18 Posted by: Nedtheredhead
» RE: And you don't even have to be 18 Posted by: Nedtheredhead
too poor to fly...
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 14, 2007 1:17 AM   
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Sheesh, I never thought I'd have a reason to be happy I'm too poor to fly.

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» RE: too poor to fly... Posted by: Constitutionalist75
This is the first assault, the first step
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 14, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Take a look at the plans of Israeli leaders since the beginning for “pacifying” the Palestinians: routine cruelty, no right NOT to be hassled at any time by anyone in any kind of authority, vulnerable to arrest and a cruel detention at any time without charges, representation or any promise of EVER being released, etc. That’s what this is: it is training the American people to expect this type of treatment from their government, to believe that the government has the authority to do any damned thing they want to anyone at any time. We’re being conditioned to live under a totalitarian state, that exercises it’s power against us on a whim, to believe that we have no rights and no recourse. This has to be fought by EVERYONE, at every attempt! If it ins’t we can count on the real thing – as soon as the government feels insecure in their hold over us. We need to be ready for that too. We have to reject martial law, reject the illegal “laws” and unconstitutional EOs that were made to give the President these illegal, unethical and immoral powers! Call your representative, your senator, make sure s/he understands: this is intolerable, and it is the wedge of an assault we cannot afford to lose!

Ian

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Caesar77
Posted by: Caesar77 on Sep 15, 2007 2:30 AM   
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While the American people are being feed a steady diet of Paris Hilton, Britanny Spears and all the other 'bullshit' by the mainstream media, the Lunatic-in-chief ( Bush ) is stealing our freedom. The terrorists have won; the morons in Washington have done their work.

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» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: kewpie
Americans Are Scared Stupid
Posted by: maggzilla on Sep 16, 2007 7:51 PM   
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The comments I have read, are mostly, hilarious well because they aren't happening to me. I am laughing thinking have we really gone this far? I just could not help but think that Americans have become stupid with fear of things that might potencially happen--when most of us will likely die of old age or an accident! I hope we pull out of it. I like my freedoms.

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» Americans are in denial.... Posted by: Zed1961
Kathleen
Posted by: KPelley on Sep 19, 2007 3:08 PM   
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I flew to Maui with my husband from Oakland CA. My husband, a retired peace officer, and I have different last names. On the way there and on the way back, I was pulled out. The strange part is that leaving Oakland my husband accidentally carried on a pocket knife [they were not allowed then] and they did not even ask him to remove it, but they pulled me out for special checking. In Maui, I asked why I was pulled out--the staff said it was because of the grommets on my jeans. My husband was also wearing jeans with grommets. Yes, I have been involved in the antiwar movement and will continue to be.

I have not flown since, so do not know if I still remain on the "list", but I did not relish that experience. Fortunately, I do not have to fly for work because I am now retired, but I still retain a creepy feeling about those two incidents.

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Yes, I'm on "the list"
Posted by: thejanet2 on Sep 19, 2007 4:42 PM   
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The first time I was the "random searchee" I didn't think much about it, after all, someone has to be it. The next flight I was also the random searchee, and I thought how lucky I am to get picked twice in a row. The novelty wore off as I was ALWAYS the random searchee for a period of time running from winter 2002 through spring of '04. I had flown a lot during that time, a lot of international flights and a lot of flights with multiple "legs" (or flights to a hub city, then to another hub city, then to my destination)... The trips that included three or four flights each way got extremely tedious, being pulled out and searched each time. I did notice that some of the time my boarding ticket got marked with red marker by the pre-screener, and once when I asked "why me?" the TSA worker explained it was because I had a red mark on my boarding pass.

The first flight I was NOT the random searchee was sometime in the fall of 2004, my husband remarked I must be out of "time out" now. I enjoyed what I'd always considered a right for a while and then thought I had gone slack during a period of ill health and it was not a good thing to get dropped from The List.

I'm happy to report I'm back on The List now, although each time I get pulled out of line it gets more scary. I won't stop flying, I refuse to let the bastards win that way. But it scares me more and more.

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Lady peace activists
Posted by: armswideopen on Sep 19, 2007 9:27 PM   
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Good article, but I cringed at "lady peace activists" - why not just peace activists? Was "lady" added to render them more harmless somehow? Annoying use of language.

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The LIST!
Posted by: kewpie on Sep 20, 2007 11:30 AM   
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Before I left for New Orleans, my friend told me that her daughter was harrassed in the airport everytime she travels. It gave me pause. As I came into the tiny airport the TSA decided to throughly check my bags, not once but twice. They came close to strip searching me. Another passenger told me not to question TSA or I may not make it to the plane. Another passenger from Los Angelos commented that he never saw anything like that at LAX.
When I left New Orleans airport to return home, my bags had the tag in that TSA had checked them,once.
I do not know if what I went through was routine, or if I am on a list. How does one find out?

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» RE: The LIST! Posted by: Tonya
» RE: The LIST! Posted by: thejanet2
my husband is on the no-fly list
Posted by: Tonya on Sep 20, 2007 12:41 PM   
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which has really interfered with his job which involves a lot of travel. He has also been denied new credit cards, and getting approved for a mortgage we had to jump thru extra hoops. Sometimes when he talks about it he lowers his voice as if we are being bugged.
When I wore a shirt that said "The Patriot Act is unpatriotic" to the airport, he pretended we were not together when we went thru security. The irony was that the TSA supervisor made a point of telling me that he agreed with me. I knew I was taking a risk but not being on the list myself it was less of a risk than otherwise.
He has a very common name, and apparently there is not only a wanted (regular) criminal with that name but a suspected terrorist. I don't know how they can target everyone with that name though, can't they distinguish people by birthdate, height, middle name, etc?

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» I am not a terrorist! Posted by: thejanet2
Here's a suggestion....
Posted by: JoeAlterNet on Oct 12, 2007 9:40 AM   
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here's an interesting set of circumstances....

What if enough individuals on the No-fly list or with S's attached to their name fly on the same flight or series of flights; again, and again, and again...

Although, you're all aware of being pulled aside to be detained, searched, whatever; the agents conducting the searches do not. How happy will they be when they have to search 400, 500, 1,000+ individuals in a row. Hey, you can even show up extra early; say 1,3, or 5 hours early.

So at the moment you cannot be taken off the list. It's possible to slow up a process and system to the point where change must happen to address correcting things. In fact, why Congress hasn't created or changed existing laws to correct this issue is beyond me.

One positive hope; there is a flow and ebb when it comes to bad leaders and governments. History shows there is a consistency in that they all get overthrown eventually and replaced with something more tolerable. Then civilizations wash, rinse, and repeat the cycle all over again.

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